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阿添
發表時間: 2012-05-21 08:59
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註冊日: 2003-12-08
來自: 錦上路
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32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘
這位哥哥唱得幾有味道呀..... :)




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Louis
發表時間: 2012-05-28 01:24
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註冊日: 2006-04-29
來自: Hong Kong
發表數: 583
Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘
完全聽唔到呢位哥仔有邊一句可以演繹到歌詞意境, 唱呢類歌一定耍忠於作曲者原意, 唔可以 離經叛道. 亂改一通, 我估佢三甲不入。


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e.e.
發表時間: 2012-05-28 23:53
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註冊日: 2003-12-26
來自: 港島
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Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘
我又覺得唔錯喎。彷彿看到一位時下失戀年青人垂頭喪氣、以為失戀大個天得要生要死;但當佢聽到晨鐘有所領悟,日出日落,生生不息。呢個世界上冇話邊個冇左邊個唔得,每個人都有權選擇,拿得起就要放得低。當年青人從森林走出來時已是帶著另一種心情。


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RodFoo
發表時間: 2012-05-29 02:03
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註冊日: 2004-01-01
來自: N.T.
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Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘
Tim

32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘
這位哥哥唱得幾有味道呀..... :)

Louis

Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘
完全聽唔到呢位哥仔有遑一句可以演繹到歌詞意境, 唱呢類歌一定耍忠於作曲者原意, 唔可以 離經叛道. 亂改一通, 我估佢三甲不入。

e.e.

Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘
我又覺得唔錯喎。彷彿看到一位時下失戀年青人垂頭喪氣、以為失戀大個天得要生要死;但當佢聽到晨鐘有所領悟,日出日落,生生不息。呢個世界上冇話邊個冇左邊個唔得,每個人都有權選擇,拿得起就要放得低。當年青人從森林走出來時已是帶著另一種心情。

Dear Louis,

Forgive my ignorance about Chinese Folk, or perhaps Folk-Pop or Pop-Folk or just Pop. Perhaps just music in general. The following thoughts were made on agreement to both Tim & e.e. as I somehow share the same sort of feelings. Based on these feelings and my ignorance which is slightly different to your words, I would like to learn something about -

呢類歌 – exactly which 類歌 that this song be catorgorized and how exactly this 類歌 should be sung accordingly.

忠於作曲者原意 – The lyrics were written by 方達 and the tune was written by 王福齡 and you would know both of them personally so that you know or have certified exactly their 原意 which of course would be the same to both of them. I take it that all 徐小鳳、蔡琴、費玉清 ( I do enjoy their singings and their interpretations intensely ) plus many others have all been singing their 原意 loyally. I therefore would also like to know the 原意. Pity that I do not know either 方達 or 王福齡 to learn but it is good that you obviously know them well so that you can tell us exactly how the song has been 離經叛道. 亂改一通.

我估佢三甲不入 – I think there is no need to 估 as it is clearly seen from youtube that it is true. However, he is in the FINAL and do you actually mean that only in the FINAL and 三甲不入 is really bad.

I do agree very much that constructive inputs are needed otherwise there will be no improvement at all. I think I like to have a little improvement day by day even I have yet to find a mentor who would guide me. Perhaps you would take the trouble.

Thanks very much in advance for your time.

Rod
Louis
發表時間: 2012-05-29 11:27
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Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘
徐小鳳、蔡琴、費玉清又或者原唱者崔萍雖各有個人風格, 但都係殊途同歸, 能夠唱出 50 年代老歌應有嘅優雅風華, 呢位大學生哥哥就欠缺前人嘅書卷氣, 演繹與歌詞格格不入, 感覺好似砵蘭街蠱惑仔念唐詩咁, 請恕小弟食古不化, 呢類老歌聽得太多, 如此演繹實難接受。

引文:
忠於作曲者原意 – The lyrics were written by 方達 and the tune was written by 王福齡 and you would know both of them personally so that you know or have certified exactly their 原意 which of course would be the same to both of them. I take it that all 徐小鳳、蔡琴、費玉清 ( I do enjoy their singings and their interpretations intensely ) plus many others have all been singing their 原意 loyally. I therefore would also like to know the 原意. Pity that I do not know either 方達 or 王福齡 to learn but it is good that you obviously know them well so that you can tell us exactly how the song has been 離經叛道. 亂改一通.


以下係維基百科王福齡先生簡介:

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%8E%8B%E7%A6%8F%E9%BD%A1

仲有係填詞人方達, 就係大名鼎鼎嘅陳蝶衣(陳燮陽老豆)其中一個筆名, 除咗 《南屏晚鐘》,《情人的眼淚》、《我的心裡只有你沒有他》、《鳳凰于飛》、《愛神的箭》、《春風吻上我的臉》、《我有一段情》......都係出自佢手筆, 在下可以肯定呢兩位大師絕對唔希望有人將佢地首大作唱成咁嘅款!!!

連 melody 都改到七彩, 何來忠於原意??? 我雖然唔 know 王福齡、陳蝶衣 well, 但係崔萍、徐小鳳、蔡琴、費玉清就肯定 know both of them well, 亦因為咁, 佢地一定尊重佢地兩老原意, 唔會亂嚟。

標準演繹範本:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxFrHu0pMF0&hd=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM_OQSL2_ZU&hd=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmA89b-AomA&hd=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lms4NHURg3o&hd=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpNLJBI5uWs&hd=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3QQCOgNfmA&hd=1

希望大家聽得出呢幾個殿堂級前輩嘅詮釋有何「共識」。


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e.e.
發表時間: 2012-05-29 13:31
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註冊日: 2003-12-26
來自: 港島
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Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘
我都係留番淡氣暖下肚好過。


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Louis
發表時間: 2012-05-29 14:04
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註冊日: 2006-04-29
來自: Hong Kong
發表數: 583
Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘
引文:
I do agree very much that constructive inputs are needed otherwise there will be no improvement at all.


improvement 與 distortion 往往只差一線, 呢 D 至真正稱得上 constructive improvement:

《寒雨曲》潘秀瓊

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci5LdXkdAPI

Vs

《寒雨曲》蔡琴

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LL8LWeUoc0&hd=1



基本功都未打穩就講創新, 結果只有走火入魔。


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sum
發表時間: 2012-05-29 21:05
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註冊日: 2004-07-17
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發表數: 546
Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘
改篇得很好,彈奏也很好,演譯整體水準很高。
年紀輕輕已經有這樣功力,非常難得!
多謝Tim哥好介紹!
stephenkylaw
發表時間: 2012-05-29 21:29
開始0係青韻的常客喇。
註冊日: 2010-10-19
來自: SHATIN
發表數: 112
Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘
唱得有feel. 結他伴奏有 Jazz 味, 支持創新演譯•
simga
發表時間: 2012-05-30 00:25
開始0係青韻的常客喇。
註冊日: 2007-01-07
來自: cw
發表數: 254
Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘
「原意」或應為「原唱」之誤吧,因為,除非作者曾就此曲有所說明或論述,任誰也說不準其原意,爾後之品評者,充其量只能「推論」其「原意」。

很同意添哥幾位的說法,演出很投入,奔放,流蜴,很有feel,不簡單,讚!

我也想學他創新呀,奈何沒有他的技巧、知識,唯有繼續忠於原唱,說白一點,是繼續模倣,坐收漁人之利,Yah!
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