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| e.e. | 發表時間: 2012-06-05 11:36 |
青韻是我家!   註冊日: 2003-12-26 來自: 港島 發表數: 656 |
Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘 唱老歌一定要唱到令七八十歲聽慣原唱嘅老人家收貨至算合格 ...
 老人家都會用循循善誘既方法去指正後背。莫非閣下是人瑞了？ 
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| Louis | 發表時間: 2012-06-05 11:52 |
青韻是我家!  註冊日: 2006-04-29 來自: Hong Kong 發表數: 583 |
Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘 引文:
樂評人嘅定義就係對音樂作品發表評論嘅人, 同清高與否、初哥與否無關, 我只係純粹對該段演唱發表個人評論, 冇諗過要同呢處任何人「癲」, 我再由第一版睇起, 自問冇挑釁過呢處任何一位版友, 所有評論都有理據, 有視頻支持, 純粹理牲討論。 好奇怪, 大陸街頭版《吻別》、百人大合唱軍裝版《菊花台》都可以接受負面評價, 但係成大參賽版《南屏晚鐘》 就好似有「免貶金牌」咁, 難道正如我所講, 凡管理員推介只准讚不准彈??? 莫非青韻只容許會員做「阿羊」, 唔可以有個人見解???
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| Louis | 發表時間: 2012-06-05 12:22 |
青韻是我家! 註冊日: 2006-04-29 來自: Hong Kong 發表數: 583 |
Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘 引文:
佢連「又看到那夕陽紅」都冇唱到, 到最後都只係聽到南屏鐘, 越唱越肉緊, 何來「有所領悟，日出日落，生生不息，拿得起就要放得低」??? 引文:
義正詞嚴, 當頭棒喝嘅老人家大有人在。
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| e.e. | 發表時間: 2012-06-05 12:34 |
青韻是我家! 註冊日: 2003-12-26 來自: 港島 發表數: 656 |
Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘 莫非心底開竅要大聲疾呼 我開竅啦 )))))))))))))))))))))。
唉 !!! 算啦 .. 我唔會再批評你，你認為自己呢種態度係正確既，繼續吧，反正人生係你自己的。放棄了！ 
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| Louis | 發表時間: 2012-06-05 12:49 |
青韻是我家! 註冊日: 2006-04-29 來自: Hong Kong 發表數: 583 |
Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘 引文:
唔該聽多一次, 楊同學唱到最後係大聲疾呼, 只聽到那南屏鐘))))))))))))))))))))), 走出森林, 但係敲在心坎嘅鐘聲始終揮之不去, 咁都叫開竅??? 崔萍、費玉清、蔡琴版都係用心平氣和嘅聲唱「我走出了叢叢森林，又看到了夕陽紅 」, 咁至符合你所講「有所領悟，日出日落，生生不息，拿得起就要放得低」嘅意境, 亦即係陳蝶衣先生嘅原意。 人生當然係屬於我自己, 我對楊同學嘅意見亦係屬於我自己, 就係因為咁, 我唔會因為任何外來壓力而口是心非。
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| shanshan457 | 發表時間: 2012-06-05 13:26 |
開始0係青韻的常客喇。   註冊日: 2005-07-26 來自: 發表數: 201 |
Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘 我對Louis 在對比賽者尖銳的批評……..不反對….但未十分同意.
對Louis 在欣賞及評論中的各項的理解與知識…….十分佩服. 對向Louis 的個人言論發表的攻擊………十分反感. 對我自己發表了這幾句話………有少少忐忑. 對我自己的少少忐忑…….無悔.! |
| simga | 發表時間: 2012-06-05 17:14 |
開始0係青韻的常客喇。  註冊日: 2007-01-07 來自: cw 發表數: 254 |
Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘 太多的似是而非的論据，忍不住要說幾句中肯的說話。
引文:【請恕小弟食古不化, 呢類老歌聽得太多, 如此演繹實難接受。】 原片演奏結束時，有持續的如雷掌声、歡呼声，他的演出如何可見一斑。你不接受，自有其他人接受，總𣎴能說觀眾不由衷地拍掌。 引文:【呢位参賽者係土木工程系楊麒, 佢掂唔掂, 由評判決定, 將來由市場決定, 睇下佢可唔可以喺台灣民歌界佔一席位。】 佢掂唔掂, 當然是評判的決定，並非路人甲乙丙丁可置喙，這是阿媽是女人的道理。参加這些比賽，相信絕大部份人都只為享受過程，當然也有人視此為進入樂壇的踏腳石。我想是有人看穿了楊麒的動機，所以須由市場决定是否接納他。 引文:【呢處唔係一言堂, 版規亦冇規定管理員推介歌曲可讚不可彈, 任何人都可以發表個人意見, 我嘅言論亦冇對呢處任何一位朋友人身攻擊或者挑釁成份, 何來吹我唔脹???】 請容我代版主澄清一句，青韻網從來寬容，廣纳意見，讚彈均可。論者可各抒己見，被評者也可據理力争。你瑟縮在青韻網這口觀天井，大肆批評演出者楊麒同學，迹近人身攻擊，他知嗎？你有給他機會回應嗎？對論者、被評者是否應有對等待遇？ 引文:【原唱演繹未必最好, 但係就一定好過楊麒同學千萬倍, 淨係聲樂水平已經冇得比:】 以一個享譽歌壇的前輩與一個名不見經傳的初生之犢相比，是蘋果與橙之比，蚊同牛比---------無得比。以你和他比是否會公平一些? 引文:【年輕唔係技不如人嘅藉口, 一個夾著吉他彈唱年青人都可以唱到超高水準, 征服全世界:】 猫王的成名，有其與生俱來的優厚條件及當時的社會環境因素影響，以他來比楊麒同學是苛責，不倫不類。說到他征服全世界，這評語只是商人的推銷技俩，過於誇張。他無疑是一個頂尖的表演者，但並無征服我，我相信亦有不在小數的人無被征服，我相信這些人和我自己亦是世界的一份子。 引文:【如果 Gibb's brothers 細個嗰時唔係循規蹈矩咁唱, 虛心學習, 打好基礎, 絕對唔可能有日後嘅成就!!!】 看來你和Gibb's brothers也蠻熟落，所以，你可以堅定地指出他們年青時是循規蹈矩咁唱, 虛心學習。但我相信他們在年少無知，瘋顛的青春期，也曾有在技巧、知識不足的情况下，胡亂創作、改编，可幸是他們當年沒有被當頭棒喝。 引文:【唔係我想嚴苛批評, 而係楊麒同學本來就走錯路學壞師, 鼓勵佢即係送佢落地獄!!!】 你的嚴苛批評、青韻小眾的温馨鼓勵，只能見諸青韻網，並無載於原錄影片段。我想，楊麒同學需要有心靈感應，或須在網海有目的地搜索，才知悉我們這些路人甲乙丙的流言蜚語，那又如何談得上”鼓勵佢即係送佢落地獄”。你的批評也只是無的放矢，這矢卻落在青韻網。 引文:【唱得唔好, 但係方向正確, 堅持落去可以不斷進步, 咁就值得鼓勵, 但係如果走歪咗路, 就要當頭棒喝, 唔係就只會令佢越走越歪害佢一世。】 要當頭棒喝就要有被棒喝的對像。你只在青韻網發表連篇偉論，當事人卻一無所知，那豈是當頭棒喝？是自我發洩而已，是要表現自己與眾不同的見識而已！ 引文:【好奇怪, 大陸街頭版《吻別》、百人大合唱軍裝版《菊花台》都可可以接受負面評價, 但係成大參賽版《南屏晚鐘》 就好似有「免貶金牌」咁, 難道正如我所講, 凡管理員推介只准讚不准彈??? 莫非青韻只容許會員做「阿羊」, 唔可以有個人見解???】 青韻網小眾從來不是羊，反之，是各有己見，各具原則，有菱有角，但亦互相包容。青韻網小眾絕大部份只是音樂愛好者，不具專業水平，談不上評價他人演出好壞，就因為知識所限，故多只從欣赏角度抒發感受，不具教化效果。「免貶金牌」這結論是上綱上線的說法，你的偉論連篇累牘，受眾持不同意見作出理性回應是正常不過的事，何出「免貶金牌」此語，你說的比人還更多了吧！醉人皆醉我獨醒是天大喜事，怕的是眾人皆醒我獨醉。 |
| RodFoo | 發表時間: 2012-06-05 18:02 |
青韻是我家!  註冊日: 2004-01-01 來自: N.T. 發表數: 682 |
Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘 Dear All,
Shall we start this whole thing logically and not create something to be laughed at? The whole thing started with Tim appreciating something, just one line of appreciation. That had caused Louis saying 完全聽唔到呢位哥仔有邊一句可以演繹到歌詞意境, 唱呢類歌一定耍忠於作曲者原意, 唔可以 離經叛道. 亂改一通, 我估佢三甲不入 Poor me , sharing the feeling of Tim and e.e but was worried about my level of music, pleaded Louis to clarify some wordings. Explanations were never given but received a whole lot of stuff saying how good who and who were. Please understand that nobody said anything about that the artists Louis liked were not good. In fact I personally like all the artists Louis mentioned. It happens I also like Tim’s link even though he was not in the top three. I don’t know if I can say that Louis is forbidding anyone who does not like what he likes. I also don’t know if I can say if anyone agrees with Louis, he would fall into this category. I just take what Louis wrote and give my thoughts in below, under brackets:- Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘 徐小鳳、蔡琴、費玉清又或者原唱者崔萍雖各有個人風格, ( I like all of them mentioned. I think I did mention that)但都係殊途同歸, 能夠唱出 50 年代老歌 ( Probably because they wanted to sing like that or their producer wanted them to) 應有嘅優雅風華,( Nobody ever doubts that ) 呢位大學生哥哥就欠缺前人嘅書卷氣, 演繹與歌詞格格不入, 感覺好似砵蘭街蠱惑仔念唐詩咁, 請恕小弟食古不化, 呢類老歌聽得太多, 如此演繹實難接受。(Louis is agreeing 恕小弟that this is his OWN feeling. That is very fine. Nobody is challenging him. Conversely, Tim’s own feelings were challenged harshly by Louis - Godfather????? ) 引文: 忠於作曲者原意 – The lyrics were written by 方達 and the tune was written by 王福齡 and you would know both of them personally so that you know or have certified exactly their 原意 which of course would be the same to both of them. I take it that all 徐小鳳、蔡琴、費玉清 ( I do enjoy their singings and their interpretations intensely ) plus many others have all been singing their 原意 loyally. I therefore would also like to know the 原意. Pity that I do not know either 方達 or 王福齡 to learn but it is good that you obviously know them well so that you can tell us exactly how the song has been 離經叛道. 亂改一通. 以下係維基百科王福齡先生簡介: ( He is undoubtedly good but has nothing to do with your criticism about the performer you don’;t like) http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%8E%8B%E7%A6%8F%E9%BD%A1 仲有係填詞人方達,(Again, he is also being admired. Nobody is saying anything wrong against his work) 就係大名鼎鼎嘅陳蝶衣(陳燮陽老豆)其中一個筆名, 除咗 《南屏晚鐘》,《情人的眼淚》、《我的心裡只有你沒有他》、《鳳凰于飛》、《愛神的箭》、《春風吻上我的臉》、《我有一段情》......都係出自佢手筆, 在下可以肯定(all Louis’ own assumption and it is all in his own mind)呢兩位大師絕對(Louis is speaking for them.)唔希望有人將佢地首大作唱成咁嘅款!!! (even if yes, so …..) 連 melody 都改到七彩, 何來忠於原意???(Again Louis has to define their 原意and to me it is more of LOUIS 原意) 我雖然唔 know 王福齡、陳蝶衣 well, 但係崔萍、徐小鳳、蔡琴、費玉清( please see the first line) 就肯定 know both of them well, 亦因為咁, 佢地一定尊重佢地兩老原意, (this is excellent, nobody has different ideas) 唔會亂嚟。(亂嚟 To Louis, it is, but it may not be so for others. Respects ?????) 標準演繹範本:( These are all irrelevant to the discussion. They are known to be excellent. Louis is not the ONLY ONLY one to know) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxFrHu0pMF0&hd=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM_OQSL2_ZU&hd=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmA89b-AomA&hd=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lms4NHURg3o&hd=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpNLJBI5uWs&hd=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3QQCOgNfmA&hd=1 希望大家聽得出呢幾個殿堂級前輩嘅詮釋有何「共識」。 Dear Louis, Why don’t you just say that you yourself don’t like it. This is more honest and this is more kind. Oh! If your guitar work and your singing is good enough why don’t you point out where he can improve (Sorry that I have to bring this out but you yourself have criticized your performance before. Nobody has ever criticized you. That is respect. Now that you have said it yourself, I do not see your capacity to give him any advice especially on his guitar work) I do agree very much that constructive inputs are needed otherwise there will be no improvement at all. improvement 與 distortion 往往只差一線, 呢 D 至真正稱得上 constructive improvement�� (please study a little bit more about English language to understand the text meaning. But of course if you understand the meaning, it means that you are telling us that you have been giving inputs to distort Here is an extract from東 我個人意見, Bravo, 有兩點可批評 1) Vocal旋律改動太小, 應該再狠一點, 跟他自已節奏一起改動 2) 自彈自唱, 影響了吉他彈奏, 以他水準, 吉他編曲可以更正. (These are constructive inputs.) To CONCLUDE, it seems that we have different levels in our LOGICS and when Louis level is so much higher than most of us, WE SHOULD NOT AND I WILL NOT CONTINUE THE DISCUSIONS ANYMORE. To me, you like an apple does not mean you must dislike an orange. I like all the artists you like, I don’t have to dislike the artist you don’t like. Obviously, you don’t think that way. Thanks you very much for everybody’s time. Rod |
| Louis | 發表時間: 2012-06-05 19:28 |
青韻是我家! 註冊日: 2006-04-29 來自: Hong Kong 發表數: 583 |
Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘 引文:
我已經喺 youtube 處提點咗佢, 希望佢睇到。
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| RodFoo | 發表時間: 2012-06-05 20:36 |
青韻是我家! 註冊日: 2004-01-01 來自: N.T. 發表數: 682 |
Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘 By Louis
Re: 32屆成大民歌賽決賽 (獨唱組) - 南屏晚鐘 引文: simga 寫道: 要當頭棒喝就要有被棒喝的對像。你只在青韻網發表連篇偉論，當事人卻一無所知，那豈是當頭棒喝？是自我發洩而已，是要表現自己與眾不同的見識而已！ 我已經喺 youtube 處提點咗佢, 希望佢睇到。 Sorry! Just cannot resist giving my compliments. Excellent! Well done! Alas! Got deleted as GARBAGE, probably with a good reason. Rod |
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