logo
 敬請登入支持
帳號:

密碼:


遺失密碼嗎?

何不馬上註冊!
 主選單
 搜尋本網站

進階搜尋
 誰在線上
線上目前共16
(0人在瀏覽自由討論區)

會員: 0
訪客: 16

尚有...
 青韻廿周年特刊重溫
 青韻二十五周年紀念網頁
 聽我彈結他
 有用舊版資訊
舊版青韻民歌網


從01.06.2000以來的訪客
討論區主頁
   結他樂譜地帶
     轉調問題
無發表權

樹狀顯示 | 舊的在前 前一個主題 | 下一個主題 | 頁尾
發表者 討論內容
whitehorse
發表時間: 2007-11-08 17:37
青韻典堂級民歌好友
註冊日: 2003-12-13
來自: 八十年代的青韻民歌組
發表數: 2030
Re: 轉調問題
多謝阿Sum的詳盡解釋!


----------------
回望過去,珍惜現在,展望將來!
青韻老餅舊組員
白馬
網頁:YouTube Link

sum
發表時間: 2007-11-07 22:41
青韻是我家!
註冊日: 2004-07-17
來自:
發表數: 546
Re: 轉調問題
引文:

whitehorse 寫道:
請問什麽是Modal interchange和fifth principle?同Chord Progression(和弦進行式)有什麽關係?


I'm sure many of us will know the circle of fifth principles. Just share some information I found. Please note these are just general concepts and may have many exceptions. But it is very useful and can be applied in many ways for a guitarist.

There is a piece of information about chord patterns that every guitar player ought to know. It summarizes all the information about how chords move from one to the next in a simple way. It's called the Circle of Fifths, and it's created by writing out the 12 notes in this order: each note is followed by the 5th note of its major scale. Thus, if we start with C, we follow it with G (the 5th note of the C major scale). We follow the G with D, which is the 5th note of the G major scale, and D is followed by A, and so on around the octave until we get to F, which is followed by C, and we're back to where we started. The complete Circle of Fifths looks like this:

---------------C
----------F-------- G
-----Bb/A#----------- D
--Eb/D#-------------------A
-----Ab/G#-------------E
---------Db/C#------B
----------------Gb/F#

There are two basic rules for chord changes. The first is that short movements along the circle sound more natural than long ones. For example, the chord change C major to G major is very natural, whereas the change C major to E minor is more awkward. The second rule is that clockwise moves (forward) make the song seem to be developing forwards, whereas counter-clockwise moves (backward) make the song be resolving. The chord changes we gave above are these:

C Am Dm G7 (Today). This one begins with a three-step jump forward, but then resolves back one step at a time.

F C7 F Bb F C7 F (When the saints go marching in). This one involves only single step movements. Starting on F, we go forwards, back, back, forwards, forwards, back.

Almost all chord movements in all songs involves jumps of 4 steps or less along the Circle, and most of them only 1 or 2 steps.

Using a certain chord in the circle as the tonic chord (I chord), moving clockwise will be the 5th chord (V or dominant chord), moving anti-clockwise will be the 4th chord (IV or subdominant chord). In key of C, the I, IV, V chords are C,F and G; in key of D, they are D,G and A, and so on. The I, IV and V chords together form the basic chords for many many songs. Examples are “Oh Susanna”, “Bye bye love”, “Cotton fields”, etc.
sonar
發表時間: 2007-10-31 22:14
青韻是我家!
註冊日: 2005-05-04
來自: Maldives
發表數: 664
Re: 轉調問題
所以無乜人會講玩D#.. 多數講玩Eb.. 引文:

sum 寫道:
引文:

阿東 寫道:
Perry

你想問的是否"轉調手法"問題?
想找一些參考例子?

參看forum:http://www.gtplayer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1793&highlight=%C2%E0%BD%D5
第三段 : C調 轉D#
一全一半??不用懷疑!!
這個算是最基本的”直接轉”方式,
也是最常見的轉調之一,
因此只要把C變Cm就好了(G也可以變Gm)
例:
|C--- |Am---|Dm---|G7---|
|Cm---|Cm---|G#---|A#---|
|D#---|Cm---|Fm---|A#---|


Just for discussion.
C to D# is an augmented second interval, which is a second degree interval. Therefore transposing the following from Key C to D# :
C Am Dm G7
would theoritically become
D# B#m E#m A#7

Am to Cm and Dm to Fm are 3rd degree intervals. Of course in practice we can use Cm (enharmonic of B#m) and Fm (enharmonic of E#m). But if taking the Music Theory Exam, B#m and E#m should be used as the answers.
sum
發表時間: 2007-10-31 21:05
青韻是我家!
註冊日: 2004-07-17
來自:
發表數: 546
Re: 轉調問題
引文:

阿東 寫道:
Perry

你想問的是否"轉調手法"問題?
想找一些參考例子?

參看forum:http://www.gtplayer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1793&highlight=%C2%E0%BD%D5
第三段 : C調 轉D#
一全一半??不用懷疑!!
這個算是最基本的”直接轉”方式,
也是最常見的轉調之一,
因此只要把C變Cm就好了(G也可以變Gm)
例:
|C--- |Am---|Dm---|G7---|
|Cm---|Cm---|G#---|A#---|
|D#---|Cm---|Fm---|A#---|


Just for discussion.
C to D# is an augmented second interval, which is a second degree interval. Therefore transposing the following from Key C to D# :
C Am Dm G7
would theoritically become
D# B#m E#m A#7

Am to Cm and Dm to Fm are 3rd degree intervals. Of course in practice we can use Cm (enharmonic of B#m) and Fm (enharmonic of E#m). But if taking the Music Theory Exam, B#m and E#m should be used as the answers.
andytang
發表時間: 2007-10-31 14:02
開始0係青韻的常客喇。
註冊日: 2006-05-30
來自: 油麻地http://www.youtube.com/candysweety21
發表數: 129
Re: 轉調問題
很多謝 添先生 的讚賞 我都係想 講出ㅡ個 初學者的 目弟 法而已 若果無 足料的簡譜 我都會 唔識彈架 大家若 有心學野的話 又 jum 可以 ㅡ毛不拔的 download ㅡ些 不足料的 歌譜呢 足料的意思是 要有tempo 有intro 有solo 有ending 就連 melody上面的chord 都要有埋 大家就 不用再花時間 去找chord 了 我最喜歡 買足料的 歌譜地方 如下 找新歌的 可以到尖沙咀的 勁歌金曲 總店 若找舊歌的話 就要到商務了 ㅁ牙



大角咀 港灣豪庭 扒王之王 餐廳的 演唱會

每晚由pm7:00唱到pm10:45

旺角 行人專用區 動感銀城 地下階 的 演唱會

逢星期五.六.日. pm3:00至pm6:00

EMAIL:ANDYTANGSUSUKINO@YAHOO.COM.HK

http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/jw!Lj26RI.THhM6B8Rm78OOFfW_2b27zhaq/profile


----------------
免費 學唱歌 和 免費 學彈琴 的好地方
我的最新 演唱會 場地 @@@@@@@@

旺角 行人專用區 動感銀城 地下階 的 演唱會

逢星期五.六.日. pm3:00至pm6:00

EMAIL:ANDYTANGSUSUKINO@YAHOO.COM.HK

http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/jw!Lj26RI.THhM6B8Rm78OOFfW_2b27zhaq/pro

阿添
發表時間: 2007-10-31 12:07
網站管理員
註冊日: 2003-12-08
來自: 錦上路
發表數: 4326
Re: 轉調問題
不錯的分享。。。。。。。。

最過癮都係歌神的回覆。。。。有趣!有趣!有趣!


----------------
"推廣民歌。服務社群。鍛鍊自我"

dannychow
發表時間: 2007-10-27 22:13
青韻是我家!
註冊日: 2006-01-01
來自:
發表數: 439
Re: 轉調問題
我懶... 通常落個新調o既V7 chord (即G7)就算...
whitehorse
發表時間: 2007-10-27 11:49
青韻典堂級民歌好友
註冊日: 2003-12-13
來自: 八十年代的青韻民歌組
發表數: 2030
Re: 轉調問題
請問什麽是Modal interchange和fifth principle?同Chord Progression(和弦進行式)有什麽關係?

好似以前青韻網都有提過吓:
http://cwfolknet.com/html/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1267&forum=11#forumpost10336


----------------
回望過去,珍惜現在,展望將來!
青韻老餅舊組員
白馬
網頁:YouTube Link

sum
發表時間: 2007-10-26 17:47
青韻是我家!
註冊日: 2004-07-17
來自:
發表數: 546
Re: 轉調問題
引文:

sonar 寫道:
我諗樓主既問題應該係問由A key 用咩chord可以順利轉去C key.

可以利用下II V I 既原理. 同埋Modal interchange 既方法.


If that is what requires, then one possible progression is :

A D7 G7 C

which is basically a circle of fifth principle.
sonar
發表時間: 2007-10-26 17:04
青韻是我家!
註冊日: 2005-05-04
來自: Maldives
發表數: 664
Re: 轉調問題
我諗樓主既問題應該係問由A key 用咩chord可以順利轉去C key.

可以利用下II V I 既原理. 同埋Modal interchange 既方法.
(1) 2 »
樹狀顯示 | 舊的在前 前一個主題 | 下一個主題 |

無發表權
 
Powered by 青韻民歌網 © 2000-2021